Tuesday, May 20, 2014

Are the Great Crowd in heaven or earth?, Revelation 19:1

Revelation 19:1" After this I heard what seemed to be a loud voice of a great crowd in heaven........."

The only way the Great crowd who make it out the Tribulation can be in heaven, is if we assume that Revelation 19:1 is talking about them. For the following scriptural reasons, I will show why the great crowd in heaven, are angels who already inhabit heaven. 


What is A great crowd? 


The words used for great crowd is ὄχλου(crowd) 
πολλοῦ (great). This phrase is used in places other than Revelation.
Matthew 4:25"Consequently, large crowds followed him from Gal′i·lee and De·cap′o·lis....."

Matthew 8:1"After he came down from the mountain, large crowds followed him."

Matthew 13:2"And such large crowds gathered to him that he went aboard a boat and sat down,"

Matthew 14:14"When he came ashore, he saw a large crowd, and he felt pity for them,"

So simply put, great/large  crowd/multitude means exactly what it says, a large group.


Are they in Heaven or Earth?


First let's take a look at a scene of Armageddon.

Revelation 16:14"and they go out to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty."

Revelation 16:16"And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Armageddon."

Now let's pay closer attention to Revelation 19:19-21

"And I saw the wild beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the one seated on the horse and against his army. 20  And the wild beast was caught, and along with it the false prophet that performed in front of it the signs with which he misled those who received the mark of the wild beast and those who worship its image. ......21  But the rest were killed off with the long sword that proceeded out of the mouth of the one seated on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.


That's right. The Kings of the Earth are going to wage war against God's people. Think of the situation with Pharoah and the Israelites, Pharoah didn't only try to wage war against the Israelites, he was also waging War against God. He knew fully well that God was with them. But he still thought that he stood a chance at defeating them. Until he was swept away in the flood along with his army. See Exodus 5:2, Exodus 14:9, Exodus 14:28, Exodus 15:4



Standing before God's throne?


Revelation 7:15,17".......they are before the throne of God, and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them.  17  because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them and .... guide them to springs of waters of life. And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes.”"

Some like to assert that because they are before God's throne and serving in God's temple, then this must mean they are in heaven. This is a reasonable assumption, but not true. The fact that they are before God, only means they are within sight of him. They are within his range. 
ἐνώπιον means "before the face of, in the presence of, in the eyes of" and here's some uses of it.

Luke 1:15"for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born."

Luke 1:74,75"to grant us, after we have been rescued from the hands of enemies, the privilege of fearlessly rendering sacred service to him 75  with loyalty and righteousness before him all our days. "

John 20:30 " To be sure, Jesus also performed many other signs before the disciples, which are not written down in this scroll."

The scriptures also show  that the angels are before God.

Revelation 8:2"And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them."

Luke 1:19"The angel said to him, “I am Gabriel. I stand in the presence of God, and I have been sent to speak to you and to tell you this good news."

So far, I've seen 1 person assert that because angels are before God and are in heaven, then this is proof that the great crowd are in heaven since they are before God. This could only be true due to lack of knowledge of the word ἐνώπιον. Which has already been shown to mean in the sight/presense of. Just as Luke 1:75 shows, Zechariah was before God while still on Earth. So if angels are before God, that only means they are within his presense. Which is something that should be obvious. Hebrews 1:7, Rev. 5:11


Rendering Sacred Service in his temple?

Revelation 7:15" they are before the throne of God, and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them."

The word temple(ναὸς) can mean 2 different things in the scriptures. It can either mean an actual building (Luke 23:45) or it could just mean your body.

 1 Corinthians 3:16,17" Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that the spirit of God dwells in you? 17  If anyone destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him; for the temple of God is holy, and you are that temple."


Now let's take a look at some scriptures the follow the Armageddon.

Revelation 21:2-4"I also saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and........... 3  ......... a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them.4  And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore.......”"



So New Jerusalem has now came down from heaven, and God will reside with mankind. Continuation....

Revelation 21:22  I did not see a temple in it, for The LORD God the Almighty is its temple, also the Lamb is.

Revelation 3:12 "“‘The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore,"

At first I never really understood what "I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God". But eventually it hit me that Jesus will literally make those who conquer apart of God's holy temple. Auton stulon(him [a] pillar) both end in the same case endings, meaning they are being equivocated. So since there will be no literal temple, we will be apart of God's spiritual temple. So those rendering sacred service in the temple are literally just rendering Sacred service in general. There will be no need for an actual temple to render sacred service.

1Corinth. 6:19,20"Do you not know that your body is the temple of the holy spirit within you, which you have from God? Also, you do not belong to yourselves,20  for you were bought with a price. By all means, glorify God in your body."

1 Peter 2:5you yourselves as living stones are being built up into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, in order to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ."

John 4:24" God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.”"

Where is the tent spread?

Revelation 7:15""For this reason, they are before the throne of God; and they serve Him day and night in His temple; and He who sits on the throne will spread His tabernacle over them."

Revelation 21:3"With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them."


Now let's look at a parallel verse in Leviticus to understand the meaning of "Spreading God's Tent"

Leviticus 26:11,12"And I will set my tabernacle among you[The Israelites]: and my soul shall not abhor you. 12 And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people."

Friday, May 2, 2014

Preview: Why does God allow bad things?

Stay tuned for the complete Post "Why does God allow Wickedness? Couldn't He just have destroyed Satan at the beginning?"

Preview:
1. Was Satan created evil? 
- No. Satan was originally an angel of God(Genesis 3:14).He was later on given the name in the Hebrew Text "Ha Satan" which translated means, "The Adversary". This name fit's him perfectly because he was the first to challenge God's arrangement of things and till this day, is still opposing

2. Does Satan Rule Hades?
- No. Hades is strictly for dead people. Satan is still alive. The sinning angels were thrown in tartarus(many bibles incorrectly translate this hell when the bible distinguishes them)Jude 1:6

3. Why doesnt God do anything?
- God will act on the behalf of those offended by badness. Adam and Eve thought it would be Ok to do something God told them not to, trusting the voice of Satan instead. To prove not only to humans, but also his angels why his rule is the best for true life-living, he has allowed humans to under the rule of humans[isn't that great is it]. In the future, this would be an incentive to show why it's best not to trust reasoning that isn't from God.

John 1:1 answered.

+The NT was written in Koine Greek so the clauses may differ from modern greek+

(English)John 1:1,2 In beggining was the word, and the word was toward The God and god was the word. 2 This one was in the beginning toward The God
(Greek)John 1:1,2 En arche ein o logos and o logos ein pros ton theon, kai theos ein o logos. 2. Outos ein en arche pros Ton Theon.

In John 1:1, the first mention of God is Ton theon. Since Theon is a masculine word and ends with "-n" and follows the article "ton", This means that this is the Accusative form. In English, this would be called the Direct Object. Logos is a Masculine noun. Since it follows the article "o" and has the "-s" ending, we know this is the Nominative form, which is known in English as the Subject. If you didn't pay attention in school or just never went, i'll give you an example of what a Direct object and Subject is.

1. The cat(subject) chased the dog(direct object)
2. The dog(subject) chased the squirrel(direct object)
3. The squirrel(subject) climbed the tree(direct object)

So basically The Word(Jesus) was facing toward The God(Yahweh). This one (Jesus) was in the beginning towards The God(Yahweh). 

 Kai theos ein o logos (and god was the word) is the same equivalent as saying "and red was the crayon" or "and black was the man". Now I will give another example using the John 1:1 template. In beginning was the crayon(subject), and the crayon was toward the rectangle(direct object), and rectangle was the crayon(subject). You would understand this as; that the crayon was next to a rectangle, and the crayon itself was also in a rectangular shape. Another example would be, In beginning was The Teacher , and The Teacher was next to The Latino, and latino was The Teacher. This one(The Man) was in the beginning speaking to The Latino.

Conclusion. Jesus has a divine nature just like how All of God's angels have a divine nature. But even then even, imperfect human Judges/Rulers were called gods.


John 10:34"Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are "gods"'?"

Exodus 4:16" He will speak for you to the people, and he will be your spokesman, and you[Moses] will serve as God to him."


Exodus 7:1" The LORD then said to Moses: “See, I have made you[Moses] like God to Phar′aoh"

1Corinthians 15:47,48" The first man is from the earth and made of dust; the second man is from heaven. Like the one made of dust, so too are those made of dust; and like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly."

*(see footnote at bottom)Psalms 8:5*"You have made him a little lower than the angels(elohim)[Click for interlinear] and crowned them with glory and honor."


And John 1:18 distinguishes Jesus as an Only-begotten God in the father bosom. Hence, they are seperate. http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/1-18.htm


*Some scholars (not all) claim that since Elohim isn't applied to angels in the old testament, and although the septuagint renders "elohim" as angels(Psalms 8:5), and although this is a parallel to Hebrews 2:7, It should not be rendered as angels in this case, But instead should be rendered as God. So they think it is suppose to say "You have made him a little lower than God"(some bibles render this verse as just that). In this case it wouldn't make sense in this case to render it "Made him a little lower than God", because most knowledgeable trinitarians I know already admit that Yahweh is above Jesus. So he was already "a little lower" than God. He did and currently does have a higher rank than angels. However, when he came down to earth, he became lower than angels. 

1 Corinthians 11:3 "But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ,......and God is the head of Christ" 

1 Corinthians 15:28".......the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, ........."

Revelations 3:12"“‘The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, ..... and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name."

Ehyeh asher Ehyeh and Ego Simi ; Exodus 3:14, John 8:58

Exodus 3:14 God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"
John 8:58 "Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!""

Ehyeh esher Ehyeh literally means "I will be what/that I will behttp://biblehub.com/hebrew/1961.htm )"Ehyeh is from the root He-Yod-He (Hayah) which means "to be" .


The Greek Septuagint renders the phrase "I am the Being" which seems to indicate something that is continous. Similar to wording the phrase, I am the Becoming/To-being. 


 Using "I am that I am" this case implies something that currently is, and will continue to remain. It is  improper however, when trying to connect it to the ego simi in John 8:58. Jesus was simple stating that before Abraham existed, he has been, and still is.

Ehyeh esher Ehyeh expounds on the meaning of Yahweh's name[He causes to become] and not Jesus.

Exodus 6:2 Then God said to Moses: “I am Jehovah. 3  And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them

Some might think this means that before Moses, no one knew Yahweh's name. That isn't true because Abraham built an altar with God's name.

Genesis 22:14"And Abraham named that place Je·ho′vah-ji′reh. This is why it is still said today: “In the mountain of Jehovah it will be provided."

Ehyeh esher Ehyeh however was made known to Moses first.

Now back to Exodus 6:2 "but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them". So Jesus saying " I am" doesn't mean he is the Ehyeh in Exodus 3:14, because his name isn't Jehovah. Although his name means "Jehovah is Salvation" he wasn't the first to have God's name implemented.(Jehu,Elijah,Isaiah,Jeremiah,Abijah, Micaiah, Jehoram ect.) Also his name wasn't always Jesus..
Philipians 2:9-10".....God exalted him .... and kindly gave him the name that is above every other ...., 10  so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend...."

John[Baptist] even called himself " I am"
Matthew 3:11"......., but the one coming after me is stronger than I am, whose sandals I am not worthy to take off.........

And so did many others. So if we use "I am" as a claim of Full Godness, then everyone who says "I am" is also God.

 Zechariah 13:5 "He will say, 'I am no prophet; I am a farmer. I began working for a farmer as a boy.'"

Daniel 1:10 "but the official told Daniel, "I am afraid of my lord the king,...."


1 Timothy 3:14"I am writing these things to you now, even though I hope to be with you soon,"


Luke 15:19 "I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired servants.'

John 9:9 "Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I am he."

Jonah 1:9 "He replied: “I am a Hebrew, .....

Tuesday, April 29, 2014

Q. What did God mean when he said "Babylon will never be inhabited"

     Isaiah 13:20 
     She will never be inhabited,Nor will she be a place to reside in throughout all generations.No Arab will pitch his tent there,And no shepherds will rest their flocks there.
Jeremiah 15:30" Because of the indignation of Jehovah she will not be inhabited;She will become utterly desolate.Anyone passing by Babylon will stare in horrorAnd whistle because of all her plagues."

     People like to claim that since Suddam Hussein and The U.S. army built places of residence there than this prophecy is now false. Well Regarding suddam huessein it's interesting to know that 

Now regarding the U.S. setting up a base there, surely this would seem like it woold contradict scripture, which is a reasonable assumption. But fortunatly for God's people, he left us a non-contradictory way of explaining this.

First lets look at a similar prophecy regarding the Land of Edom.

Isaiah 43:10"By night or by day it will not be extinguished; Its smoke will keep ascending forever. From generation to generation she will remain devastated; No one will pass through her forever and ever"

Jeremiah 49:20 Therefore hear, O men, the decision* that Jehovah has made against E′dom and what he has thought out against the inhabitants of Te′man: Surely the little ones of the flock will be dragged away. He will make their dwelling place desolate because of them.


Malachi 1:3"and E′sau[Another name for Edom] I hated; and I made his mountains desolate and left his inheritance for the jackals of the wilderness.”"


And now we get to ice the Cake, What is said in the verse following #3 ?

Malachi 1:4"“Though E′dom says, ‘We have been shattered, but we will return and rebuild the ruins,’ 

this is what Jehovah of armies says, ‘They will build, but I will tear down, and they will be called “the territory of wickedness” and “the people whom Jehovah has forever condemned.”"


So even though God already said no one will inhabit the land, he is still acknowledging that Edom will be attempted to be rebuilt and re-visited. It's clear When God said no one will inhabit the land, He's clearly talking about long-term productivity. Those who attempt to overthrow his prophecy will have there efforts crushed.

Now the reason why I brought up the prophecy regarding Edom, is to connect what the meaning of God making a place desolate is. Now regarding the U.S. Military,  it's clear that they had no goal of making it a place to live. It was only a temporary base. But I find it interesting how God used them to fullfill his plans! What do I mean by this? Well alot of effort has been place in order to restore the Ancient Babylon. But what role did The U.S. have in fulfilling God's plan? The Following is a quote from Wikipedia

""caused substantial damage to the Ishtar Gate, one of the most famous monuments from antiquity [...] US military vehicles crushed 2,600-year-old brick pavements, archaeological fragments were scattered across the site, more than 12 trenches were driven into ancient deposits and military earth-moving projects contaminated the site for future generations of scientists [...] Add to all that the damage caused to nine of the moulded brick figures of dragons in the Ishtar Gate by soldiers trying to remove the bricks from the wall."
"The head of the Iraqi State Board for Heritage and Antiquities, Donny George, said that "[the] mess will take decades to sort out"

So God really will make sure Babylon remains plagued. Given the non-contradictory biblical proof showing how God made Babylon desolate, i'm sure there will still be those who wont accept it because they don't want to use God's definition. Which is understandable because they simply don't know how to accept(or they just don't want to).


1Corinthians 2:11-15 
....... So, too, no one has come to know the things of God except the spirit of God. 12  Now we received.......the spirit that is from God, so that we might know the things that have been kindly given us by God. 13  These things we also speak, not with words taught by human wisdom, but with those taught by the spirit, as we explain spiritual matters with spiritual words.
14  But a physical man does not accept the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know them, because they are examined spiritually. 15  However, the spiritual man examines all things, but he himself is not examined by any man.